Like if you kick him he%26#039;ll grab you. He%26#039;ll jump you and try to throw, but taekwondo%26#039;s striking art so how are you supposed to strike when they have you pinned and freakin%26#039; twisting your bones all over hurting you?|||When you are just doing a friendly training exercise, it can be difficult.
When they change levels (drop down) to %26quot;shoot%26quot; in for the takedown, you don%26#039;t kick or knee them in the face because you know the guy. Also, you probably are not going full contact either.
This is why it is difficult for a karate or TKD fighter to %26quot;prove himself%26quot; to a jiujitsu guy or wrestler. It%26#039;s alot easier to grab you and throw you down when you are doing light contact strikes that do no damage to the grappler.
In a real situation, you would not hesitate to go full contact. I%26#039;m not saying you%26#039;d win every time, but I am saying that it makes a huge difference. These little contests people set up are heavily weighted in favor of the grappler.
In addition, in a real situation, if you find yourself in a submission hold, you have options you don%26#039;t have in a sport event, such as biting, finger manipulation (pulling/breaking his fingers), eyes, fishhooking and other vital areas.
The key thing is to try to keep your distance, but even the best strikers have trouble with this against good grapplers.
James
EDIT: In response to Judomofo%26#039;s response......
I completely agree that the best way to deal with a grappler, is to learn some grappling yourself and learn the real escapes. This is exactly what I have been doing the past year.
But if grappler gets me in any hold, and I have a free hand, and the grappler makes the common error of leaving his fingers exposed, I can break the hold every time. If they cover properly, I%26#039;d have to use something else.
In regards to kicking a %26quot;shooting%26quot; opponent, I agree that I cannot do this from hand strike range. In my experience in sparring class at MMA, I have frustrated a lot of guys, and as they get tired, they shoot from further away, and I could have smashed their faces with a kick or a knee. It%26#039;s all about distance, recognition, and the speed to execute. If you execute, it works, if it doesn%26#039;t, then your in big trouble whether you tried the kick or not.
James|||Contrary to popular believe kicking is not long range. The range of your strike depends on your stance. The longer your stance the further you will be able to move. Hence the shorter your stance the less distance you will be able to cover.
Shotokan is a long range fighting art and we can close the distance rather fast. In comparison tdk is a short range art.
Your stance determines everything, an your opponent stance determines what he will do.
A wide stance is used for evasion an narrow stance is more of a linear type attack.
In shotokan we practice in deep stance to build our leg muscles and when we stand up higher we can move even faster.
We also learn how to close the distance from on our opponent with out being vulnerable to an attack. And that鈥檚 what you need to be able to do don鈥檛 stay with in kicking range stay out side of it. As he starts to move into your range, pick the spot on him you are going to hit and also pick where you what to end up. When the technique is finished. You need to stay way out side of his range especially if he is a grappler and you know nothing in that art. Always do the unexpected never do the expected, and if you cant fight him on his terms that keep the fight on yours. Most likely he will try and rush you a lot to use what he knows. If he does grad you use your elbows and knees. If you have to.
And in the future learn some jujitsu so you can better deal with a jujitsu or judo person.
|||First and foremost, if you are already grappling with them, you are going to lose.
The key is using footwork and angles to keep them from getting close. Yes, TKD is a kicking art, but you also have hand techniques. One of the best things you can do is develop a strong jab, with a strong jab you can keep the distance and keep them from coming in on you.
All your kicks should be set up with hand movements, and should vary in levels, that is the surest way to not get a kick caught.
James, whose answers I always like... I have to disagree with him here..
It%26#039;s a big mistake to try to kick or knee someone when they shoot. Most people shoot off angle, and the shot is generally something quick, done within hand range, a kick will take to long and a knee is a huge risk. Without having some control of the guy (clinch wise) it is hard to line up that shot, and the downside is that you then make getting taken down even easier because you are left with one leg on the ground... a kick or knee is a big mistake, it%26#039;s a huge risk.
Also the whole %26quot;if caught in a submission on the streets you can do this..%26quot;
There are no submission holds on the streets, no tapping, no friendly holding till it hurts. In a real situation that armbar is a straight break, as is any joint lock.
And that choke isn%26#039;t going to stop... trying to grab fingers, or gouge at eyes isn%26#039;t going to help you get out of it. Your best bet is actually learning how to escape these things before they are put on, not counting on an eye jab or grabbing a finger to get out of it, by that time it is pretty much too late.
So keep in mind, footwork, angles and learning to use strikes to keep your distance. Set your kicks up with combinations, or when a person is backing up.
If you are truly worried about grapplers, supplement your training with some grappling. You don%26#039;t have to be a master, all you need is a basic understanding and the ability to avoid getting taken down, and a knowledge of how to get back up if you are taken down.
Takedown defense, and escapes and you are pretty much good to go.
But it takes time an experience, you have to spar against grapplers a lot, get an idea of what works and what doesn%26#039;t. Then you can find out which angles certain strikes work from, and how you need to set things up.
It takes time, and some extra knowledge but it isn%26#039;t an impossible position.|||You can%26#039;t just say kick him or punch him or whatever. Not everyone is going to go down in just one it. And if it%26#039;s a wrestler/jujitsu etc... chances are he won%26#039;t be the average joe who%26#039;s not really use to pain.
Honestly the best thing is to learn how to not go down easily. Here are some simple tips. If they go for your leg, sprawl.
If they try to throw you, get your hips as far away as you can and drop down *below* his hips. If he can get your hips onto his you%26#039;re thrown. If you can get your body away from his and low, he has no leverage.
Once you feel like you have control you can just push him away then do w/e.
Granted this is just a basic tip. Good people will know what to do when you try and counter it, so make sure no matter what you do it;s quick, hard, and controlled.
||| Lets put things in perspective. Unarmed combat can be in any one or more of these ranges from farthest range to closest.
1) kicking range
2) punching range
3) trapping range
4) grappling range
Most fighting arts are good at teaching you to fight well at one or two ranges. TKD for example is best at kicking range, but not do good at closer ranges. bottom line is that an effective fighting method teaches it students to fight effectively at all four ranges. Lets face it you don%26#039;t always get to choose what the fighting range will be. If you can%26#039;t fight well at all four ranges you are at a big disadvantage. |||Another option which I am shocked hasn%26#039;t been mentioned yet is defend. If you go for a defensive positioning it will mean that the grappler will have to attack. If he/she is attacking it means that you are then in a position to counter which in these predicaments is the better position. If they attack high counter low and vice versa. This should keep them off balance more often then not.|||i do ju-jitsu and my mate here does taekwondo ju-jitsu is a close range styel while taekwondo is like a meidum range art if yu can keep a judo guy away from you long enough yu will win he fight only problem is judo/ ju-jitsu taches how to get realy close so i sugest dont go to the ground put speed on your strikes and most of all never get into a grappel with a judo person|||kick them and keep them at a distance and make sure you do everything fast so they dont have time to grab you
also try things like kicking their hands and arms to weaken them so they cant grab you.
but dont get to close or let them get a hold on you.|||The ideal in a striking art is to not let the grappler get to close. TKD is meant to be fought at a distance, jujitsu/judo and wrestling are meant to be fought as close as possible, learn to maintain distance and you are set.|||Three words: Sprawl, sprawl, sprawl!
Keep distance and concentrate on punching. Lot of jabs. No dirty boxing, the close quarters make you vulnerable to a throw. Limit head kicks, focus on kicks to the knees. Be forewarned, 90 percent of fights go to the ground.|||Keep him in kicking range, and don%26#039;t let him get so close? If he comes towards you, avoid him by dodging or deflecting his hits.
If you think you%26#039;re going to have to face this kind of thing again, get some training in grappling to complement your TKD skills.|||learn to wrestle i do taekwondo and hapkido and im going to learn how to wrestle. But u can try keeping distance with side kicks and front kicks
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