Differences : BJJ absolute for MMA, Judo absolute for street ?

I want to learn some grappling.





Both Judo and Bjj seem powerful. I%26#039;ve seen UFC and BJJ seemed the absolute art.





But BJJ may be the absolute art in cage-fights .What about real self defence and not UFC- MMA matches ?





Is Judo more effective for self defence than BJJ, while BJJ is more effective for MMA matches than judo ?





And when some people talk about the superiority of BJJ , is it that they mean %26quot;the superiority in MMA matches %26quot; and not %26quot;the superiority in the street %26quot; ?





Because in the street first you punch / kick, but then when the guy comes close to you, you need something to throw him down , and when you do so , you want to throw him in a way that he will be hurt , plus the fact that judo has some ground techniques to immobilize the victim.





Because with the opponent you don%26#039;t want to touch each other so much and instead of falling in the ground, it%26#039;s better to wreslte so as not to (i talk about the average opponent , and not a bjj%26#039;er or judoki opponent )|||I%26#039;m not sure if you realize that Brazilian Jujutsu IS Judo. Specifically, focus and specialization with the ne waza part (ground techniques). If you train in Judo, you will learn the ground techniques, and if you want, you can refine them to the point of Brazilian Jujutsu proficiency. But you%26#039;ll learn the standing throws and all sorts of other things in Judo.


So to reiterate, Brazilian Jujutsu came from Japanese Jujutsu/Judo. There%26#039;s almost nothing in Brazilian Jujutsu that isn%26#039;t in Judo, and Judo contains (almost) all the submissions you see from BJJ guys on UFC MMA.|||There is a big difference between Japanese JJ and Brazilian JJ. Japanese is about overpowering your opponent. Brazilian is about using leverage. I always found that Judo schools will teach you all about throws whereas BJJ will teach you more of the ground game. In my opinion, BJJ is way better. What good is a throw if you can%26#039;t finish it? It doesn%26#039;t matter how you get on the ground as long as you are comfortable taking the fight there. If you want a good standup game as well, take muay thai. MT and BJJ will really round you out as a fighter. MMA is supposed to be as close to a street fight as you can get. When it first started, there were only 3 rules: No hair pulling, no fishhooking, and no biting. Yet, most of the fighters were still trained in either MT, BJJ, or both. Also, a lot of schools will teach both. I trained at Trident Academy in Woodbridge, VA. I recommend them if you live anywhere close.|||First two answerers are pretty right on in my opinion.





Sinister is a bit off, mainly I think because of lack of knowledge of Judo.





Just incorporates probably the best leverage in all of Martial Arts, maybe 1/8th of the throws require you to be %26quot;deep%26quot;, and those are mostly throws that are not done.





Closing the distance is very, very easy, and is essentially done at the same range as punching. So I think slight ignorance or at least bias was speaking there. Many reaps, sweeps, leg picks, as well as dynamic shots like single legs and double legs are all found in Judo. Judo doesn%26#039;t really require super close proximity as they can blas through anyone with a shot just the same as wrestling.





Honestly most of the empty hand work of philipino and indonesian arts is still based off of stick work, it is decent but to say it uses better leverage then Judo is a bit off in my humble opinion. Mind you I have only done Kali and Escrima, and done some full contact stick stuff, am intermediate level at best. However I feel quite comfortable in grappling range with my instructor.





Honestly I think both are great, I think Judo excells a little bit in making sure a fight gets to the ground on their terms, with them in control. As others mentioned it has the same submissions as BJJ, a few more chokes, less leg bars. (But pretty much 90% of Judoka are familar with them).





Judo has a bit more of a controlling aspect with it%26#039;s pins and such, and both arts are good for getting into a dominant position and keeping it.





I do think Judo gives you somethings better than BJJ, you have better takedown defense, and a better base as a Judoka then the average BJJer.





But it all really depends on the school, I have seen some BJJ schools that work as much takedowns and throwing as Judo, and cross train with Judo, and I have seen Judo spent as much time on the mat as BJJ, and cross train in that.





I think either one helps, personally I like both.





But street fighting wise, you absolutely want to find a place that spends at least a good part of the time training with No Gi. (That is probably a lot harder to find). My Judo club would randori (spar) without a Gi about 50 percent of the time. More time was spent on Gi preparing for tournaments, but in general we tried to work everything with and without a Gi. My BJJ club does the same, with more emphasis on no Gi then wearing a Gi.





As far as best for the street, honestly either one are good. I think Judo gives you a lot more street capable tools, but I have found BJJ places that are just as competent in the takedown department.





Good luck!|||Yes, that is exactly right.





BJJ is derived from Kosen Judo, the newaza work of Judo, which came from Kano%26#039;s Kodokan Judo, which in turn came from Japanese Jujutsu.





So yes, BJJ is the best art for MMA, and is also useful in a street fight if you get boomed (taken down). However, Judo, with the better throws, takedowns, and faster chokes is more useful for the street than BJJ.|||Both are good Martial Arts. Both have weaknesses. There is no single Ultimate martial art.|||judo is pretty good but there are better street arts by far IMO. In Judo you have to close the distance to get close, the throws are too impractical often times IMO because of how deep and committed you have to be, there are easier throws which use better leverage and dont expose your back.





Filipino and Indonesian arts are very skilled empty hand but its hard to find a school/good instructor for them.